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Info-Mac Digest             Tue,  2 Jun 92       Volume 10 : Issue 134

Today's Topics:

      [*] TidBITS#126/01-Jun-92
      America Online/Mac 2.0
      A warm powerbook
      Bootable 7.0.1 floppy
      Carpet Bag problems?
      Casper the Friendly Vapor, etc.
      Central Point Software in the UK
      Classic Memory
      Cleaning monitors
      Converting graphics formats: pict/tiff->epsf?
      Corrupted Excel 3.0 file
      Deskwriter C Appletalk driver (A)
      Deskwriter C Appletalk driver (Q)
      Disk Icons: Pasting Problems
      Dot surface --> solid surface ? (Q)
      Finder Layouts in System 7 (C)
      Floating Button bar
      HyperCard and Language
      Info on Apple Israel (q)
      Installers and updaters (2 msgs)
      Installers and updaters (A)
      Laserwriter IINT printing solid black sheets
      medical,medicare
      Mrs. Word5/Excel3/Excel4 (C&A)
      Nasty Powerbook bug
      Portable printers: summary
      Printing linked documents to file (Q)
      Problem with DeskWriter 3.1 driver (C,Q)
      Quadra File Sharing/Disk Formatting (Update)
      RE- CIS Mail Charges
      RE- INIT Programming
      RE- MDS
      RE- OIDS
      RE- System 7 Folder Icons
      Repeat Bibliographic citations in MSWord - Summary.
      ReSETting mail merge fields
      Restoring icons in System 7
      sickmac followup
      software vendors
      Sound & QuickTime with Shareware?
      Source for CAP (Columbia Appletalk Package)
      Teaching Close vs. Quit (was Teaching RAM vs Disk Space)
      World Spins Wrong Way
      WriteNow problem... <Thanks for the HELP>

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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 92 22:24:22 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: [*] TidBITS#126/01-Jun-92

TidBITS#126/01-Jun-92

 This is a must-read issue! First, check out what was way cool at
   the Worldwide Developers Conference. Second, find out about a
   serious bug in Word 5.0 that could affect you, accompanied by
   important workaround and prevention information. Finally, delve
   into Apple's high speed QuickRing and explore why it is neat
   despite being ahead of its time. No room for Newton news this
   issue; for that tune in next week, same bat channel...

Topics:
    MailBITS/01-Jun-92
    WWDC Cool Stuff
    Word Style Flaws
    QuickRing Speed
    Reviews/01-Jun-92

[Archived as /info-mac/digest/tb/tidbits-126.etx; 29K]

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1992 7:54:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail] (Dave Martin, Geochemical Research, Texas A&M)
Subject: America Online/Mac 2.0

As of yesterday, the beta test for America Online/Mac 2.0 software is
done. Use the keyword UPGRADE to get to the free area where you can
request the upgrade (and in a few days download the new version at no
charge).
While the software isn't perfect (what is?), it is easily updated. It
is tool-based, and all functions & menus are contained within the tools.
Using a new host/client feature, new versions of the tools can be sent
to you (free of charge) when you sign on if you don't have the most
recent version. For instance, the Address Book tool (which is pretty
much the same as it was under AOL 1.0), could be updated separately
when a new Address Book tool is done.
AOL 2.0 can auto-UnStuff downloaded files (user preference), and uses
the 3.0 version of the UnStuffIt engine. It does not seem to work with
.cpt archives, so while users should be able to begin using StuffIt
Deluxe & StuffIt Lite 3.0 format files when uploading, you still can't
use .cpt format without adding the .sea.

Dave (DBM)

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 22:23:19 BST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: A warm powerbook

Has anyone else noticed that their powerbook becomes rather hot-under-the-disk
with extended use?  I find that my PB170/4/40 becomes positively toast-like
when placed on a soft base (cushion etc.).

OK I know I use my "pet" in some strange places but I was concerned lest I cook
the innards and do things to my data.  Perhaps this is indeed a built in extra
for the cost - it can double up as a hot pad to be used in relieving aches and
pains?

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 92 08:14:52 -0400
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bootable 7.0.1 floppy

Inspired by Al Bloom's note in 10-133 under the subject "AD and Virus
Checkers/Optimizers," I did some fooling around this morning with
interesting results. I remembered that System 7.0.1 ships with a Disk Tools
disk which IS a bootable 7.0.1 high density floppy, containing Disk First
Aid and Apple HD SC Setup as well as a proper Finder and System. Keep that
standard floppy handy in case of any problems with your hard drive; there's
no longer any need to go to the elaborate procedures previously used to
create a bootable System 7 floppy--Apple has done it for us.

I took it one step further. I discarded Disk First Aid (44k), Apple HD SC
Setup (99k), and the Finder (355k) from that disk. That left 524k
available. I put AutoDoubler 1.0.6i (172k) into the Control Panels folder
and copied Silverlining 5.4f1/14 (211k) to the disk, changing its file type
to "FNDR" and its creator to "MACS."

This gave me a bootable 7.0.1 disk with AutoDoubler and 137k to spare for
other programs. The computer will boot to Silverlining, of course, and
since there is no Finder there is no graceful shutdown. But all the
features of Silverlining are available for use, including its optimization
feature. I'm quite confident that using the same technique for a virus
checker would work as well, or for any other utility program that you would
like to run when your hard drive is down.

Just use this technique to create a few different 7.0.1 startup floppies,
each with the program you want to use renamed to Finder with the file
type/creator changed. Remember, you've got 524k available for the program
you want to substitute.

I also tried compressing the Silverlining-named-Finder to see if
AutoDoubler would expand it with this sort of kludged bootup. It
didn't--the disk would no longer boot. I should have thought about it
first. The System is looking for a file named "Finder" with the proper file
type/creator. Such a compressed Finder is really an AutoDoubled file, so
the System isn't fooled and refuses to boot. You can change the compressed
Finder to the proper file type/creator and fool the System--but although
AutoDoubler will then load, it will not recognize the compressed Finder as
something it should expand, because it has the wrong file type/creator for
an AD-compressed file. It's sort of a Catch-22 situation.
Jeff Needleman  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 12:25:26 PDT
From: Paul Brians <[e-mail]>
Subject: Carpet Bag problems?

I just tried out Carpet Bag on a IIci running most of Now Utilities
and SuperBoomerang, Disinfectant, and few other extensions.  It didn't
crash, but it screwed up font menus and didn't display any fonts.
Anybody else had problems and know what might be the conflict?

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1992 17:01 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Casper the Friendly Vapor, etc.

I quote from MacWeek, Vol. 6 No. 19:

"While Apple has put its Casper speech-recognition technology in the
spotlight in recent months, company engineers also have been working
on the other side of the coin: speech synthesis ...
"[L]ater this year developers will receive a kit enabling them to build
speech-generation capabilities into their programs, sources said.
"The kit reportedly will include a new text-to-speech manager and sample
drivers, or actual digital voices, to go with it.
"The new manager, which will be distributed in the form of a system
extension, will provide a standard application programming interface
that developers incorporating speech generation can address, without
worrying about the details of the driver in use."

I am interested in the text-to-speech manager. Anyone know more about it,
or know a contact person at Apple?
And is there a beta version floating around anywhere?

Many thanks in advance.

--Dave Horn, Syracuse University

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 11:57:09 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Central Point Software in the UK

On Mon, 1 Jun 1992 09:15:22 +0100 you said:
>Does anyone have an email address for CP Software ?

Central Point's documentation indicates a Compu$erve forum but does not
list an email address (possibly they do not wish to pay to receive our
pearls?).  However, they do list a BBS and phone numbers in Uxbridge,
Middlesex, UK.

Info:      44-81-848-1414
FAX:       [phone]
BBS        44-81-569-3324
(The US BBS, <503> 690-6650, is 2400 baud, 8-bit, 1 stop, no parity; the
manual doesn't give setting for the UK, but they probably are the local
equivalent of the US version).

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 10:47:46 EDT
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Classic Memory

On Mon, 1 Jun, Mak Rusli wrote:

>Hi. I got a complaint about running word 5.0 on the classic.
>The person says that the program does not run with 4Mb of RAM.

Doesn't surprise me any.

>In conjuction with the issue of RAM in the classic, I was
>wondering whether the memory can be increased beyond 4Mb ?

According to the "bible" (Connectix's Macintosh Memory Guide stack), to
use more than 4M of physical RAM in a Classic, you need to install an 030
accelerator and Connectix's Compact Virtual 3.0. On most accelerators
you can then add four 4M SIMMs for 16M of application memory.

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 13:11:01 EDT
From: Pete Tamas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cleaning monitors

What can be used to clean monitors and what solutions should be avoided?

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1992 15:52:38 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Ng Kim Guan)
Subject: Converting graphics formats: pict/tiff->epsf?

I am posting this for a friend without net access.

Is there shareware/pd utility which can convert a pict/tiff format
file to epsf?

Apparently he is trying to place the pict/tiff image into Adobe
Illustrator which does not recognise pict/tiff files.

Thanks for any help.

Regards,
-Kim

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 11:53:43 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Corrupted Excel 3.0 file

On Tue, 2 Jun 1992 08:02:22 CST you said:
>I have an Excel file (300K) that got corrupted due to a bad sector on a
>floppy disk.  Can anyone make any suggestions as how to recover _any_ of
>the data?
>
>In the PC version of Norton there is a utility called FileFix which will
>recover data from corrupted Lotus 123 files.  Is anyone aware of any such
>file for the Mac?

The New Central Point MacTools 2.0 FileFix program has explicit options
for repairing Excel files (including an "expert mode" which will let you
extract undamaged info if the automatic repairs can't solve the whole
problem).  I suspect MacTools version 2 is your best bet.

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 11:54:32 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Deskwriter C Appletalk driver (A)

On Mon, 1 Jun 1992 10:44 PDT you said:
>Does anyone know of an Appletalk driver for the HP Deskwriter C?  I have
>a Plus and a IIci that are connected.  The DWC is also connected to the
>same Appletalk LAN, but I have to use the B&W printer driver if I want
>to share the printer.

I'm surprised HP didn't mail you the DW-C 2.0 drivers (did someone
forget to send in the product registration?).

get info-mac/util/hp-deskwriter-c-drivers.hqx

Works under System 7 (32-bit clean), works with '040 caches on, supports
color and background printing, TrueType, ATM (the whole 9 yards).

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Date: 2 Jun 92 18:02:35 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Brothers)
Subject: Deskwriter C Appletalk driver (Q)

[e-mail] writes:

>Greetings,
>    Does anyone know of an Appletalk driver for the HP Deskwriter C?

All DeskWriter Cs are shipped with drivers for both serial and AppleTalk
connections. The original version (of both drivers) was 1.0; version 2.0
was released a few months ago. It's available in the HP Peripheral Forum
on CompuServe; you can also get it from HP - try the HP Personal
Peripherals Assist number (208-323-2551).

        - Dennis


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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 92 8:39:39 CDT
From: [e-mail] (Francis J. Van Wetering)
Subject: Disk Icons: Pasting Problems

The configuration:
A MacPlus, 4M RAM, System 7.0, two (2) SCSI drives: Quantum52 and Jasmine20.
The System folder is in the Quantum52 drive.  I also have a NovyQuick30-25Mhz
accelerator board installed with 1 Mbyte RAM disk.

The problem:
I use 'borrowed' icons for every folder and disk on my two drivecs.  I think
it dresses up the desktop, and allows for more rapid recognition of folder
contents.  The problem is with the Jasmine drive (who would have guessed? ;)
I open up the information window of a 'contributing' applications, select the
icon, copy it into the clipboard.  Fine.  Next, I select the Jasmine
drive, do a "Get Info", select the (boring) generic paper document icon,
and attempt to "Paste" from the Edit menu.

A dialog box appears, stating:
"The command could not be completed, because it cannot be found."

Huh?  The Finder Paste command cannot be found?  This makes no sense to me.
BTW, the Jasmine drive doesn't even display its 'own' drive icon.  It shows
up on the desktop as a 'plain vanilla document', not a drive at all.

I might add that I am able to follow this procedure with all folders inside
the jasmine drive, as well as the RAM disk and the Quantum disk.

is there a workaround for this?  Has anyone seen this error? Can anyone tell
me (us) what it is?

| F.  J.  Van Wetering, Ph.D.    INTERNET:    [e-mail]    |

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 92 11:15 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Dot surface --> solid surface ? (Q)

Dear Info-Mac,

I would like to ask subscribers to Info-Mac for help with the
following:

I have a file containing the coordinates of dots which define a
(molecular) surface. What I want to know is:

1. Are any of the commercially available 3D modelling programs
for the Mac (e.g. StrataVision, Ray Dream Designer, MacRenderman...)
capable of taking these dot coordinates and producing a solid surface
including shading, shadow and lighting effects ?

2. Are there any shareware/public domain programs which do the same ?

3. Failing 1 + 2 above, could anybody point me to references/source
to perform the solid modelling ?

In addition, I would be interested to hear of other subscribers'
experiences with any of the Mac 3D modelling programs.

If this produces any interesting replies I will summarise for Info-Mac.

Any help greatly appreciated !

Andy Sheppard ([e-mail] or [e-mail])

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 92 15:23:06 PDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Finder Layouts in System 7 (C)

>Also, is there ANYWAY at all to overcome the gridding system that
>the finder has when you tell it to clean up? I appreciate being able
>to read all the file-names, but in some instances, the icons will do
>just fine, and the names are not so important. System 6 does a nice
>job cleaning up the icons in a nice grid-like fashion, and I rather
>like its job better.

I sure agree with you on this! The new method is nice, but the old
method should have been left in (perhaps via Command-Option-CleanUp).

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1992 09:06:34 -0700
From: Victor Quevedo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Floating Button bar

I am looking for a way to add function keys operations to NCSA Telnet or
SU-MacIP.  I know that they come with some VT-100 function key operations,
but I am looking for a way to add a floating (DA?/KeyboardMacro) button
panel to these terminal emulation programs.  I would to create some
buttons that will make some login procedures easier.

Are any freeware/shareware DA's/Apps (Floating Button/Menu) that can be used?

I know that this sounds like a job for HyperCard.  I know
that there are Stack available that perform telnet/ftp features.
Where can I find them and how hard are they to modify.

Any Help will be appreciated.

Victor Quevedo
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue,  2 Jun 1992 10:01 CST
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: HyperCard and Language

I am looking for HyperCard-based language learning software.  I would
appreciate any recommendations of shareware stacks which teach foreign
languages (everything from grammar to vocabulary).  Eventually I would like to
design a stack of my own, so if you know of any disk-based or printed resources
along these lines, I'd appreciate hearing about that as well.  Please respond
to me directly, and I will post a summary.  Thanks.

Steve Waechter
swaechter@utmem2 (bitnet)
[e-mail] (internet)

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 11:55:14 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Info on Apple Israel (q)

On 1 Jun 92 11:37:12 U you said:
>It was recently announced that Apple USA  has begun distributing System
>7.0.1 Hebrew.

The Hebrew system is available from ftp.apple.com in directory:
dts/mac/sys.soft.intl/hebrew/7.0.1.1400k likewise the arabic system in:
dts/mac/sys.soft.intl/arabic/7.0.1.1400k

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 11:55:57 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Installers and updaters

On MON, 01 Jun 92 11:02:30 EDT you said:
>Why most softwares companies now have installers and updaters? It's like
>we are too stupid to install the products ourselves. Sometimes it would
>be interesting to really understand what is happening.  Some installers
>are just copying the new software over the old one. Are we that dumb?

You and I (and 99.44% of digest readers :) haven't a problem with manual
installers and may even have cleaned up after an install program that
refused to work properly (Apple's TuneUp installer can't find Chooser
it's put into a folder within the Apple Menu folder, for example).
However, there's a running thread on the MAC-L discussion (some of which
also has appeared in the digest) to the effect that MultiFinder (let
alone System 7) is incomprehensible to neophyte Mac users.  Also, those
laboring in the vineyards of beginner instruction report difficulty
getting many new users to understand the difference between RAM (on line
memory) and a hard disk (off line "memory").  The confusion seems to be
a consequence of the fact that the hard disk is inside the computer (as
compared to a floppy which clearly is something separate from the
computer's memory).

I recall reading earlier this year something to the effect that Salient
pulled an early patch for AutoDoubler because so many users couldn't
correctly follow the directions (and flooded Salient's tech support with
calls).

Those of us who use computers a LOT and particular those of us who've
used a variety of makes, models, and operating systems often don't
appreciate the mind set of the run-of-the-mill user (who outnumber us by
maybe 100 fold or more).  Those folks NEED simple, bullet-proof
installers!

Frankly, I appreciate those who construct installers that let us have it
both ways (by including a folder of "parts," for example).  I also like
installers with "customize" options in one form or another and a running
commentary of what they are doing as they proceed.  Both Norton and
Central Point installer programs permit selecting specifically what to
install or not, AND when an item is highlighted, there's a brief text
explanation of what the thing is.  One of disks I received originally
>From Norton was FUBAR (I called, a replacement set arrived promptly by
first class mail); so I had to install the other things manually (no
problem).  From what I see and read, the majority of Mac users would be
stymied a glitch that prevents the installer from working.

It's not clear who is the "heavy half" here.  Those of us who delve into
the details no doubt spend far more on software individually than the
typical user who is still using the same (years old) software that came
with their system (and why not, it still does what it was purchased to
do, doesn't it?).  However, since those folks outnumber us by so much,
the accumulated spending may be greater than the aggregate purchases of
us intensive users (or maybe not).  The wise marketer will try hard to
keep both groups happy.

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 92 15:55:26 PDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Installers and updaters

>Why most softwares companies now have installers and updaters. It's
>like we are too stupid to install the products ourselves. Sometimes
>it would be interesting to really understand what is happening.

The reason for installers is quite clear - many users are just too
darn stupid to install software properly (remember that info-mac
readers are not exactly representative of the average user).

I have lost track of the number of times I have seen Word 4
"installed" as follows: 1) User sees three disks labeled "Program",
"Utilities 1", and "Utilities 2" 2) User makes three corresponding
folders on hard drive 3) User copies entire contents of each disk to
each corresponding folder. Of course this is followed up by
complaints about certain parts of Word not working right and later
by complaints of being low on disk space. Sheesh!

I have heard that the number one Word question Microsoft got asked
prior to version 5.0 was "How do I set my default font?". Setting
the default font is now an unavoidable and simple step in the
installation process for 5.0.

However, I feel very strongly that it should be possible to install
any product (or portion of) *without* using the installer and that
the actions of the installer be *clearly* and *completely*
documented (a readme file will do just fine).

I really, really, really hate it when an installer messes around
behind my back without telling me. If my System file, hard disk
driver, printer driver, etc. are modified by the installer, I WANT
TO KNOW and have the option to CANCEL. Fortunately very few Mac
programs do such nasties, but we must watch out for such beasts and
warn each other.

While I'm flaming installers, I have to take a shot at Apple's
System Software Installer which better bloody well have an option of
*NOT* installing fonts when you do a System update next time around.
I'm getting damn tired of having to reinstall my Adobe Times,
Courier, and Helvetica bitmaps every time I do an update!

Sure, a minimum System install doesn't mess with the fonts, but then
I don't get a lot of other stuff I need. Apple, PLEEEASE DON'T FORCE
YOUR COURIER, TIMES, AND HELVETICA ON ME ANYMORE!

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 92 10:58:15 -0400
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Installers and updaters (A)

In 10-133, Louis Bergeron asks:

>Why most softwares companies now have installers and updaters.
>It's like we are too stupid to install the products ourselves.
>Sometimes it would be interesting to really understand what is
>happening.
>Some installers are just copying the new software over the old
>one. Are we that dumb?

The answer, alas, is that indeed many of us are that dumb. Many Mac users
have never read anything about their machines and hope never to have to
read anything. They want a button to click and an installer that knows what
they need and where to put it.

Over on Prodigy, the Mac section was filled with questions about how to
install the Tuner updates. Some bulletin boards just posted the 1.1.1 Tuner
init instaed of the entire 1.1.1 Tune-Up disk image copy. Many people just
downloaded that, never reading the instructions, and installed that init
without ever installing the Chooser or the updated printer drivers. I
posted some instructions I thought were helpful and received questions like
"You say to replace the printer driver if I have a laserwriter or
Stylewriter. I can't find any file named 'printer driver.' What am I doing
wrong?"

Computer anxiety is just as widespread as math anxiety, and many
intelligent people go backward on the evolutionary scale when confronted
with a new program for installation. It's unfair to call the problem
stupidity. I have much the same reaction when I try to talk to a very
beautiful woman. The larger the millihelen value, the greater the anxiety.
(Definition: 1 millihelen=the amount of beauty needed to launch one ship
<g>.)
Jeff Needleman  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 12:11:04 EDT
From: Pete Tamas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Laserwriter IINT printing solid black sheets

What does one do about a Laserwriter that prints solid black pages
rather than the pages you wanted to print? Thanks-Pete

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1992 13:50 PST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: medical,medicare

Does anyone know of a program for filling out medi-cal and medicare forms
on the Mac. I would apreciate any info.  Thanks, Jim Welsh

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Date: 2 Jun 92 14:46:41 U
From: Evans-IM-IS <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mrs. Word5/Excel3/Excel4 (C&A)

A very big thanx for all who responded to my question on removing the alias
filenames from the [FILE] menu in the applications Word5.0, Excel3.0 and Excel
4.0.  I was shocked that I received 30+ message with answers directed towards
Word5.0.  I was informed that the answer was on page 65 of the manual (if you
have one).  If you do not...

control panels menu)  Select the {VIEW} category, and then in the {MENUS}
section, clear the   List Recently Opened Documents  check box.
OR press COMMAND+OPTION+MINUS SIGN on the keyboard (not numeric keypad).  The
pointer will become a bold minus sign.  From the [FILE] menu choose a document
you want removed.  'POOF' its gone.  To cancel the Remove From Menu command,
press ESC or COMMAND+PERIOD.

I have not read the last few issues of INFO-MAC and hope I am not repeating
what others have posted.  I have been without a network.

Excel 3.0 and 4.0 do not have the same keystrokes or preferences that Word 5.0
has so I still need to work on the answer for that.  By the responses I
received, not many users have 3.0 or 4.0 Excel.  I will post the answer when I
find it or receive it.

Again ... Thanx for the replies
Troy

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Date: 2 Jun 92 16:39:12 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Nasty Powerbook bug

I just had a rather disconcerting Powerbook 170 experience (although I`d
still sell my mother for one of the little buggers), and I thought I should
share it with the net. Hopefully it will help others avoid a little
nastiness.

I had let my PB's power run down to almost nothing (something Apple tells us
to do occasionally with the batteries to keep them healthy) and I had just
received the polite "will put myself to sleep in 10 seconds" message.

Well, I figured I was about done with what I was doing anyway, so I went up
to the SPECIAL menu to shutdown before the computer could put itself to
sleep. Unfortunately, I missed the shutdown command (as I am wont to do with
the PB's sensitive roller ball) and I hit restart instead.

Bad news.

The computer started to restart, and about 5 seconds later (in the middle of
restart) it put itself to sleep.

No problem, you say. Shouldn't be a big deal.

Hardly.

Upon plugging in the computer and restarting, the happy mac sign came up on
the screen and smiled at me (as it does every so often) and looked to be
booting up quite satisfactorily. But then, quite all of a sudden, the screen
turned black and the happy mac turned into a sad mac, complete with error
codes 0000000f, 0000777f and a dirge-like take-off of the twilight zone theme
song.

At first I thought the sleep function during start-up had wiped my ROMs or
something. I was all set to send the unit to Texas, where Apple would repair
it, when common sense overtook me and told me to re-install the system from
floppies.

It worked. Apparently the system got corrupted from the process - it was NOT
a hardware problem, even thought he evil sad mac made a cameo.

The moral of the story: Don't EVER restart your computer when it is about to
put itself in sleep mode unless you have an extra couple hours to reconstruct
your hard drive.

-Tig Tillinghast
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 13:33 PDT
From: Philip Harriman                      <[e-mail]>
Subject: Portable printers: summary

I received information on portable printers from these generous folks.

P. Vinh Phan                       <[e-mail]>
Diane Downing-Bus.Mgr Math Dept    <[e-mail]>
Rex Sanders                        <[e-mail]>
Dwight Lemke @ Wisconsin Oshkosh    <[e-mail]>
Rick Jarvis                        <[e-mail]>
Andrew Ross                        <[e-mail]>

Here is a summary of what they said.

About the Diconix M150+:

Pro: Its print quality is good, it is quiet, it is light. Batteries are
     good for about 30 pages or so.  You can get a 12V car adapter from
     Linde Electronics (see recent ads for PowerBook battery chargers).

Con: It is extremely slow, and background printing is not available. As
     with all inkjet printers, large black areas can get soggy. Ink
     cartridges are expensive and only last for around 100 pages. Ink
     cartridges run out with little or no notice. One respondent
     complained about the installation process for the drivers, saying
     that she had to drag the extension out of the extensions folder
     to the top level of the System Folder to get the printer to work.

About the GCC WriteMove:

Pro: It is the same printer as the Diconix with different software which
     allows for background printing under System 6.

Con: Andrew Ross <[e-mail]> wrote:

     Although the software that came with the GCC was nice, I was not
     satisfied with the service. When the text of my printer became
     blurry, I sent it back; they could not find the problem and sent it
     back to me unfixed. When System 7 came out, the drivers stopped
     working; I called GCC and asked them when the new version would be
     coming out. They said it "wasn't planned," since their laser
     printers are a priority and they had to get those drivers out
     first. I suppose they have a System 7 compatible driver now, but
     that incident told me where the WriteMove stood in GCC's priority
     list.

Other suggestions:

The Apple StyleWriter without its sheet feeder is quite portable
     (although not battery powered).

GDT PrintWorks makes a serial -> parallel adapter and drivers to use the
     Canon BubbleJet.

Conclusion: The Diconix M150+ is a good choice for those who need
            battery powered portable printing.

Thanks to all who responded.

Phil Harriman
[e-mail]


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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 13:59:52 BST
From: John McKinley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Printing linked documents to file (Q)

I have a problem printing linked Word documents to a PostScript file in Word 4
under System 7. Specifically, the first document in the chain is printed to a
file, as expected, but the subsequent documents are sent to the printer. I
can't merge all the documents together into one document. Any suggestions?

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 92 19:08 WET
From: "Alun J. Carr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Problem with DeskWriter 3.1 driver (C,Q)

In DeskDraw 3.08, SuperPaint 1.1MS and ClarisWorks, I encounter the same
problem: when overlaying shadowed or outlined text on a grey object, with fill
set to none (so that I get white letters on grey, not letters on a white box in
the middle of a grey background), whilst displaying correctly on screen, the
grey background shows through the letters on printing (they are no longer
white).  This only occurs with the new HP DeskWriter 3.1 driver (with both
TrueType and Agfa Compugraphic fonts), not with the old DeskWriter 2.2 driver.
Is this a bug in the new driver, or a bug in all the software that the new
driver has brought to light?  More importantly, does anyone have a work-round
(other than using a mega-expensive drawing package and a PostScript printer,
that is)?  Is there an HP Internet address I can report this to?

System: Mac Plus, 4 MB RAM, System 7.0/1.1.1, HP DeskWriter.

Thanks for listening.

Alun

Alun J. Carr
Mechanical Engineering Department
University College Dublin
Belfield
Dublin 4
Ireland

Internet: [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 92 15:09:19 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Mark Przeslawski)
Subject: Quadra File Sharing/Disk Formatting (Update)

Recently I posted a problem I have been having with a Quadra 700 freezing up
while running file sharing. This is an update to the problem...

I booted from the Disk Tools floppy and tossed the system, finder, finder
prefs, file sharing and all networking software from my hard disk. I then re-
installed system 7.0.1, then system 7 tuneup version 1.1.1, and finally the
network software installer v1.2 (Ethertalk for Quadra 700, and Appletalk
v57.0.3). Whew! Yes, the extensions were turned off when the other disks
were installed.

Lo and behold, it formatted floppies with no problems. I wasn't that lucky,
though. Later, as a sanity check, I tried to format another disk and it froze
again }-(.  Over the next few days, I tried formatting many times, but I could
never get a pattern down as to when the freeze-up would occur. Once it formats
one, it works for as many in a row as you want. Come back later and it does
not work. I did notice three distinct activities when attempting to format:

1) Freezeup. Begins formatting and almost gets to verifying, but then the
    hard disk gets accessed four times and the computer locks (I can
    escape from finder and hold opt-cmd then cancel rebuild to get back
    to the desktop, but the computer doesn't realise there is a disk in
    the floppy drive. Even shift-cmd-1 doesn't work).

2) Almost freezeup. Formats until point above, then has two hard disk accesses,
    a second of floopy activity, two more hard disk accesses, then finishes
    formatting and verifying without incident. The floppy is correctly
    formatted.

3) Normal. Formats and verifies with no problems.

The problem occurs whether formatting double or high density floppies. I have
noticed other times when the machine seems to access the hard disk for no
apparant reasons. It also seems to go into "think" mode (slooowww motion) with
no hard disk activity. This is apparant during After Dark especially. I move
mouse then "sleep" again and it runs at full speed.

Could this be related to the problem people recently complained about? Or could
my hard disk drivers be out of date? (I am using disk-manager (v2.3?)). The
drivers came with the Quantum 210 I purchased less than a year ago.

- Mark Przeslawski
(Michigan "Land of 11,000 Lakes plus Four Really Big Ones")
           ------

p.s. - Special thanks to Murph Sewall for his insights.

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Date: 02 Jun 92 17:27 GMT
From: [e-mail] (ENDPOINT! Mktg Info Sys, M Cobb,PAS)
Subject: RE- CIS Mail Charges

In 10.123, Jeff Needleman notes that CompuServe claims that the new "Standard
Pricing Plan" allows for $9.00/month of mail (or, they say, roughly 60 three
page messages per month).

Actually, that's inaccurate (Jeff quoted them correctly; they're lying,
though). You are actually charged WEEKLY, not monthly. You get an allowance of
one-quarter of the monthly total per week without roll-over. Therefore, if you
send 20 three page messages one week and never send another message that
month, you get billed for sending mail in excess of your allotment.

Robert


------------------------------

Date: 02 Jun 92 17:44 GMT
From: [e-mail] (ENDPOINT! Mktg Info Sys, M Cobb,PAS)
Subject: RE- INIT Programming

[e-mail] (Karl Pottie) asks about help programming INITs. I
have started ing this, too, and there's not much help available. You MUST use
assembly inline (or the equivalent), so you'll have to understand some
assembly.

Take a look at past issues of comp.sys.mac.programmer Digest; this is a common
topic of discussion.

Robert (who just wrote his first INIT, a System 7.1 freebie he'll make
available soon)

[It is not true that you must use assembly. Back in the good old days, I
 wrote an INIT to detect viruses that was entirely written in Think
 Pascal. I guess it depends on your development system. -Bill]



------------------------------

Date: 02 Jun 92 18:01 GMT
From: [e-mail] (ENDPOINT! Mktg Info Sys, M Cobb,PAS)
Subject: RE- MDS

Paul Schwarz <[e-mail]> asks for impressions on More Disk
Space.

There has been an enormous amount of nearly violent discussion about MDS on
CompuServe. There are a large number of people who have had problems with MDS,
a moderate number of people who just plain don't like it and a small number of
people who love it. Were I you, I'd hold off for awhile and let the new
AutoDoubler and SpaceSaver come out, get settled and get reviewed. Personally,
I've found AutoDoubler to be completely safe, effective and a pleasure with
which to deal.

Robert


------------------------------

Date: 02 Jun 92 17:43 GMT
From: [e-mail] (ENDPOINT! Mktg Info Sys, M Cobb,PAS)
Subject: RE- OIDS

[e-mail] (George Wang) asks where to find an older version of OIDS
on which to use the OIDS 1.3 updater.

OIDS is a commercial game, not shareware, so it's not available online.

Robert


------------------------------

Date: 02 Jun 92 18:13 GMT
From: [e-mail] (ENDPOINT! Mktg Info Sys, M Cobb,PAS)
Subject: RE- System 7 Folder Icons

One thing to keep in mind:

When you add an icon to a folder, two things are done:

An invisible file named "Icon\13" ("\13" is a carriage return) is created
containing the icons for that folder, and;

A flag is set for that folder indicating that the Finder should look inside
the folder for the invisible file.

If you simply delete the invisible file and don't reset the flag and then (at
a later time) try to give that folder a custom icon again, you will get a
message indicating that the command cannot be completed because it cannot be
found (great grammar...). This is because the Finder goes looking for the old
invisible file to replace. ResEdit is able to turn off the "Use Custom Icon"
flag of a folder, as is DiskTools 3.1.1.

If anyone cares, I'd be happy to write a VERY quick and dirty utility that
will scan a disk, resetting the custom icon flags for folders correctly.

Robert


------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1992 17:15 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Repeat Bibliographic citations in MSWord - Summary.

The consensus of the 20+ replies that I received to my cry for help in InfoMac
10/128 (see also Mathias Schroeder and Alberto Roca in Issue 129 and Jamie
Dananberg in Issue 130) is that there is no way to use the automatic footnote
updating/re-numbering facility of Word 4.0 or 5.0 to handle repeat citations of
a single bibliographic source.  (For those of you who might be wondering what
all the fuss is about: Scientific journals generally disallow the practice -
common for research papers in the humanities - of giving each repeat citation of
a single bibliographic source a separate reference number and differentiating by
page number, e.g.  "(2) Gates, B. et al., p 34. ..... (17) Gates, B. et al., p
91" and so on).  Unless and until Microsoft realise that this is a major problem
for the many scientific users of Word the *solution* seems to lie in separate
bibliographic applications.  I am informed that there are three commercially
available packages - none of which I have, as yet, been able to test:

EndNote Plus:
Niles and Associates, Inc.
2000 Hearst St., Suite 200
Berkeley CA 94709
Telephone: [phone]
FAX          [phone]

Reference Manager:
Research Information Systems, Inc.
Camino Corporate Center
2355 Camino Vida Roble
Carlsbad, CA  92009-1572 USA
[phone], [phone]
Fax [phone]

Pro-Cite:
Personal Bibliographic Software, Inc.
P.O. Box 4250
Ann Arbor, MI  48106
[phone]
Fax [phone]

Each of these was warmly recommended by at least one well-satisfied user.
However one individual had tested all three and was of the opinion that EndNote
Plus was well ahead of the competition.  The latest version (1.2) has a special
"plug-in" module which allows it to be used from within Word 5.0.  (For any
other chemists out there, I gather that a related application - EndLink - will
create a bibliographic database from the output of a CAS on-line search).  I
understand that EndNote Plus retails in the UK at about UK#189 + VAT.

There is also a shareware application, Mark Nodine's WordRef 1.4.1, which is
available at sumex-aim.stanford.edu and elsewhere.  I received some enthusiastic
recommendations for this product - but there were others who felt that the user
interface was very complicated and that the manual was rather user-unfriendly
for beginners - and I would have to concur with this opinion).  I passed these
comments on to Mark.  In the course of a very helpful reply he argued
convincingly that the user complexity reflects the maximal flexibility of the
application.  However he did agree that the manual might be somewhat daunting
for novices and intends to edit it with that in mind.

It seems a pity that MSW - which is otherwise (IMHO) such an excellent product
requires an item of expensive software to satisfy a fairly basic requirement of
scientific users.  Any suggestions on how to pressurise "them" into including
this facility in the next version?

Thanks to all who helped - Fergus.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 14:00:22 BST
From: John McKinley <[e-mail]>
Subject: ReSETting mail merge fields

I'm using Word's mail merge facility to insert some references in to some
documents, so I have a file consisting of things like <<SET field1=2.2.2>>
only, and the main documents consisting of <<field1>> (the astute may realise
that I'm using WordRef). However, if one does something like:

 <<SET f1=1.1>><<SET f2=1.2>><<SET f3=1.3>><<SET f2=1.4>> <f1>><<f2>><<f3>>

which tries to redefine the value of the field f2 (I did this by accident,
honest) then in Word 5 the values of the field will be shuffled like a deck of
cards. No error message is generated, nor any warning. The result is that
the merged items are wrong. In Word 4 the attempt to redefine field f2 is
ignored, and all fields keep the values they would have had.

When I rang Microsoft here in the UK, they'd not heard of this one before. So,
I was wondering if this is "known" about and if it is specific to the UK
version of Word 5 (ie can people test other versions). To me it seems like a
bug.

I don't actually want to define the field's value, I just though people ought
to know.

------------------------------

Date: 2 Jun 92 15:23:31 PST
From: "Peter Crayne"  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Restoring icons in System 7

>I asked if anyone knew how to easily restore icons once students
>on different machines changes the icons using Get Info in System 7.

There is an even easier way. Just get info on the icon, click on the
icon in the get info box, and select clear. Blammo, it's back.

Peter Crayne
Santa Rosa Junior College
[e-mail]
[phone]

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 23:14:11 BST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: sickmac followup

I recently posted a set of queries about a sickmac II that was behaving in a
rather odd way.

My thanks to those in netland for their help in remote diagnosis of my odd
set of problems.  The current working hypothesis is that the HD direcrory
*might* have become inconsistent.

The problem was at least temporarily solved by rescue of data, reformatting
verifying and installing system 7.01 (1.1.1).  Things have gone mostly well
-except for one experience of a crash during a save operation that left us
with an eternal folder (init checked on ResEdit).  This was purged following
boot-up from another disk (another useful Info-mac hint).  We have also
replaced the finder and the application (SuperCard) from backup.

Insofar as this tale may have wider interest I might point out that the
commerical file/disk checking progs (NUM SUM) were no good, The disk verified
satisfactorily and HardDiskTest told me I needed a new hard disk.  It has now
changed its mind!

Moral: you can trust some of the utilities some of the time ... etc

Roz McCarthy

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1992 17:30 EST
From: Mark Cornick <[e-mail]>
Subject: software vendors

In the last issue was a comment from a Tiger Software customer who noted that
Tiger used an IBM screen shot (with much better graphics) to advertise a Mac
product.

I have avoided any vendor that sells IBM products since -- I am not making this
up -- I was asked by such a vendor whether I preferred the 3.5" or 5.25" format
of MacWrite II. Ignorance is not bliss. :)

Mark Cornick
James Madison University
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 10:25:16 PDT
From: Paul Brians <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sound & QuickTime with Shareware?

Is there any sharewre tool which can compress snds recorded on the Mac
using QuickTime compression?

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 92  17:56 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Source for CAP (Columbia Appletalk Package)

    I have been informed by Jill Williams at Columbia University that this
package is available from Rutgers University.  Although the package was orig-
inally developed at Columbia, they do not maintain it anymore.
    Using anonymous FTP, go to 128.6.4.7 and look in ~ftp/src/ru-cap2.tar.Z
John Williams

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Date: Tue, 2 Jun 92 13:10:47 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Kim Cary)
Subject: Teaching Close vs. Quit (was Teaching RAM vs Disk Space)

Pete Tamas' article contains a detailed report of the strategies he employs to
teach users the difference between disk space and RAM. This was very
interesting -- its a problem I have with my users (Mac and IBM), too.
However, I'd also like to find out what strategies people use to tackle the
other scenario presented in Pete's article:
>>
>>I agree, that's a funny anecdote...but, it does have a point.  Running
>>MultiFinder, people do not quit applications,they merely close documents.
>>When they try to open the Nth application and get the "no mem" error, they
>>get very confused.  You must teach them to quit first.
>
>That is why I teach beeginners using 6.0.x using finder and later
>move them to Multifinder then System 7.

I have profs/staff who've been using the macinslosh for years, and are now
VERY confused by this as they are upgraded to system 7. So, how do you all
"teach them to quit first"? Anyone have a handout on this they'd be willing
to share? Or, any handy analogies? Most of our new sys7 users have no manual.

Kim Cary, [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 11:52:16 PDT
From: Paul Brians <[e-mail]>
Subject: World Spins Wrong Way

Has anybody else noticed that the widely-distributed QuickTime movie
of a colored globe spinning turns the wrong way?  My theory is somebody
at Apple thinks the sun rises on Cupertino.  One of our clever staff
people managed to get it turned around, sparing us embarassment at a
national meeting.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1992 09:34:31 PDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: WriteNow problem... <Thanks for the HELP>

InfoMacers,

    Thanks to all of you who pointed out that I may have turned on 32-bit
addressing.  I had, and after turning it off and rebooting WriteNow works just
fine.

'til next we type
HAVE FUN!!    --    Jesse

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